With the advent of the goblin incursions, maintaining these farms became impossible. From the readings of ancient Dwarf history, the hold were supported by many small mountain farming communities. I would consider the relationship to be a mutually beneficial symbiotic relationship. I let it pass, but you should really consider buying an Indulgence or two just to be safe. I would almost say that this was a backdoor attempt at threadomancy, but I see that there was an agreement to postpone the debate till after the campaign. WFRP RB, Sigmar's Heirs, Warpspawn), and while not a direct benefit in a physical sense this respect is not to be discounted. Crafts are also a particularly useful export, as there are certain things the dwarfs cannot produce and rely on trade to obtain, typically in exchange for ores and metalwork.ģ/ Dwarfs, as a race, are traditionally venerated by the church of Sigmar (ref. 5), but also including other resources that cannot be obtained in a mountainous environment, such as timber. Orcs and the forces of Chaos are two major examples of traditional dwarfen enemies held back by the Empire, and I feel it would be safe to say that if the Empire did not exist, more Karaks would have fallen to these foes.Ģ/ Trade, especially for foodstuffs and other agricultural produce (ref. Some of these benefits include -ġ/ Most significantly, the Empire serves as a buffer state, indirectly defending the Karaks from major military threats. My initial response to Blackthorn's claim is present in the quotes, but just to restate, my base position is that the traditional dwarf-Empire alliance is not one-sided by any means, and that the Karaks have benefitted from it just as much as the Empire has, possibly even more. Rather, with distressingly dwarf-like focus and singlemindedness, we must hold to our previous statements and have this debate. It is after the campaign, and no one is weaselling out of anything.
The lizardmen have been using every single other race as tools in the Old Ones' plans from the very beginning.Īnd here we are. The High Elves teach the Empire magic to use them as a shield against Chaos. The Wood Elves of Loren help create the kingdom of Bretonnia for the same reason. The dwarfs enlist Sigmar and the men of the Empire as allies against orcs and goblins. A pattern of elder races using the realms of man as buffer states. This is not to belittle the dwarf holds or their achievements, which are mighty and worthy of respect, but simply giving credit where it's due. If the Empire had never united under Sigmar, the dwarf holds would never have been able to stem the tide alone. Though I am not so naive as to say they did so out of altruism, the Empire was a bulwark against orcs, goblins, beastmen, undead, and the forces of Chaos. This may be exaggerating slightly, but after the volcanic eruptions and War of the Beard, the dwarf race was on the edge of doom, and they have Sigmar to thank for holding them back.įor the centuries that follow, the same pattern holds. This is a questionable interpretation, of course - I do think the nascent Empire had a vested interest in defeating the orcs there - but it looks clear to me that without the aid of Sigmar on that day, the dwarf holds would have been dealt a grievous blow. The impression the NEB gives of the Battle of Black Fire Pass is that Sigmar was doing King Kurgan a favour, marching to defend the Dwarf holds even though the threat to his own land was minimal.
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